Calculations were corrected to standard temperature (59F/15C) and pressure (29.92 inHg/1013 mbar) at sea level. With today's support of available range finder, Kestrels and other instruments to calculate dope beyond standard ranges, any will do. Please note, the following information reflects the estimated average ballistics for each caliber and does not pertain to a particular manufacturer, bulle Mag.’s arrival in 1963. The undisputed most powerful .30 caliber magnum in the world. I am interested in the 33 nosler since sammi specs are 65,000 for pressure limits. Socom just accepted the 6.5 creedmoor to replace the 308 sniper rifle platform. Consistently holding .6 moa. It is also used by military and police snipers. The 300 Win Mag is right around where you put it but it can also safely climb to 30 and 31 pounds of recoil. OUT OF STOCK (1) NOSLER RIFLE M48 LIBERTY 6.5 CREEDMR. The entire line of Noslers fail in this regard with the use of heavier weighted bullets. This is just another overbore magnum with soft brass. The 7mm shoots .284-inch diameter bullets through bores .28-inch across, but only two use this Imperial measuring system in their titles: .280 Remington and .284 Winchester, both excellent but under-rated “standard” velocity cartridges. High BC bullets necessarily have long ogives, and therefore the COAL is long. Introduced in 2005, the Nosler cartridge brass line is ready to load. and shoot strait. I do agree Nosler is ‘marketing’ but – I agree it may be just what I have been looking for also. I thought this would be a great cartridge for rechambering an M70 338 Win mag to, but see it requires setback. The longest shot I've taken was 240yds. A 300 or 325 WSM (Winchester short magnum brass) necked up to .338 will give velocities on par with what the new 33 Nosler does with even lesser amounts of powder and all while seating the bullet correctly in the case for maximum accuracy while keeping the OAL of the loaded round to 3.340″ (like the Noslers). Definitely wanting CRF for this caliber in a LR hunting format though. The figures do not stand up to close scrutiny and the marketing approach, trying to knock down the 338 Lapua but comparing results to the 338 Win, do not work on educated shooters. DTUBB, The H&H remained the world’s standard fast.30 for 40 years. It is in essence the .300 RUM shortened to fit into a standard length bolt-action. I’m averaging 2781fps with hand loaded ammunition for the 338 LM, 300GR SMK. Recoil calculations were based on a 9.5 pound rifle weight. The author analyzed six .30 caliber magnum cartridges (.300 H&H Magnum, .300 Winchester Magnum, .300 Weatherby, .300 Remington Ultra Mag., .30 Nosler, and .30-378 Weatherby) for trajectory, effective range, and recoil with modern ballistic software available free online from shooterscalculator.com. Thanks much. They will poleaxe anything they hit as long as the bullet is placed in the animal’s vitals, and they’ll do it at amazing ranges. and large game (1500 ft-lbs), and the minimum velocity most hunting bullets require for reliable expansion (1800 fps). Renowned for its accuracy, it won many target competitions and has taken every game animal on the planet at one time or another. It will drop anything in North America, Europe, or Asia, and everything except the Big Five in Africa. The 28 and 30 nosler will keep the shank of the bullet in the neck and still feed from a Wyatts box in a rem 700. I can shoot that in a 30-06 and 196gr to 200gr in an 8mmx57 Mauser. Here’s how each cartridge ranked. One point for every 10 yards MPBR beyond 200 yards and one point deducted for every 10 yards less. The newest Fast Thirty, the 30 Nosler appeared in 2016. It feeds very reliably, probably more so than the Nosler which is rebated. As usual the cartridge designers forget the one item which IMO is of utmost importance in long range shooting. If it is not at least 250gr. Shooting the factory, Nosler Custom Competition 300 grain rounds. It is a great cartridge but it is not really what they are trying to make it sound like. How would this compare to .300 win mag? To answer Matt, I would say yes, you could rechamber and barrel to this caliber. The beauty of the 30 Nosler is that you don’t need an XL action (like you do for BOTH the 338 Lapu and 300 Norma) and instead you a standard 300 Win Mag size receiver! This put some cartridges at a disadvantage since only factory advertised velocities were used. The 33 Nosler looks to be about the same ballisticly as the good old .340 Weatherby Magnum, which isn’t even mentioned here! Probably better to just rebarrel. There are many magnum hunting cartridges, but those which use .30 caliber bullets are by far the most popular. The generally accepted figure for the.30/06 is 3,000 to 4,000 rounds of first-class accuracy, depending on how it’s shot. The author acknowledges hand loaders can achieve much better performance in many instances. Titanium-Action Carbon-Stock Hunting Rifle. The 30 Nosler cartridge delivers better ballistics than the.300 Win. For long range shooting it is best to have an action that is long for the cartridge used. I agree with DTubb all the way. It’s an option. (function() { But the velocity of the Lapua Magnum case is not its defining trait in which to compare it. The late Don Allen, founder of Dakota Arms, conceived the idea of a 3006 length magnum cartridge for use in standard length action. I’ve talked to savage about rebarreling to a 338 Lapua magnum from my Savage 7 mag and they said No. This content is accurate and true to the best of the author’s knowledge and is not meant to substitute for formal and individualized advice from a qualified professional. The six inch kill box used in this test is a better average size for both medium and large game. The 300 Win Mag’s short case neck is not detrimental to accuracy, and it is actually capable of near bench-rest like groups with the proper load in a high quality rifle. Big-game cartridges in .338 caliber have become popular, including the (1) .338 Winchester Magnum, (2) .340 Weatherby Magnum, (3) .338 Remington Ultra Mag, (4) .338 Lapua and (5) .33 Nosler. If I spend money to hunt @ 2,000 acreage ranch I want to just change out the cartridge & not carry two guns or two different barrels. Muzzle velocities are the nominal industry standard for the tested bullet weight in each caliber. I personally don't consider extreme long range fair to the game. var ga = document.createElement('script'); ga.type = 'text/javascript'; ga.async = true; Whatever happened to the “standard length” action (whatever that is) and 3.340″ overall length for the Nosler factory loaded ammunition claims? As with Double Tap Ammo, the 26 nosler ammo by Double Tap beats Nosler’s by 2.000fps in both the 129 accubonds and the 140 long range accubonds ….3600fps and 3400fps.also for the Nosler 28 ammo. The brass is substantially cheaper and does not need a 416 Rigby bolt face which is too large for most reasonably priced actions to accommodate. A 300 or 325 WSM (Winchester short magnum brass) necked up to .338 will give velocities on par with what the new 33 Nosler does with even lesser amounts of powder and all while seating the bullet correctly in the case for maximum accuracy while keeping the OAL of the loaded round to 3.340″ (like the Noslers). The 33 Nosler® is SAAMI-standardized for consistent industry-wide brass and chamber dimensions. speer grand slam, and wasn't recovered. Both BC and sectional density (SD) are noted for each bullet tested. So, the .300 Win Mag is slightly more powerful, has a slightly flatter trajectory, and has somewhat more recoil than the .30-06. The 30 Nosler is still too new to predict if it will stay on the market for long. As we compared the 7mm Rem mag against the long established .30-06 Springfield, it is only fair we do this with the .300 Win Mag. I am new to shooting long with bigger cartridges. Watch out for the donuts. It fits standard-length (.30-06 Sprg.) Mag.’s 25-degree shoulder. NOSLER has proven a noticeable level of accuracy with there custom cartridge designs for the 26 & 28. If you don't expect to shoot beyond 300 yards, stay with common .30 calibers. While 180 grain projectiles are by far the most popular, 200 – 220 grain bullets are ideal for large animals such as elk, moose, and the big bears—if one can tolerate the recoil. At this point the only way to “normalize” the data (since 225 gr is very atypical for the .338 LM) is to compare offerings based on muzzle energy (ME). The above chart was created by Nosler. They require a hunter to understand bullet construction and terminal performance in depth, especially with cartridges on the power scale’s upper end. I was a die hard 308/300 win mag fan, but when I repeatedly do .146″ groups out of my AR10, 260 Remington at 200 yards, I’m a convert now. As a matter of mirror-image fact, the two cases are extremely similar. I think the 30 Nosler would tip the scales to require a brake, at least for me personally. It shows the 33 Nosler can push a 225gr AccuBond at 3025 fps and the 265gr AccuBond at 2775 fps. The AccuBond™ is a good all-round hunting bullet with high ballistic coefficients (BCs) and terminal performance similar to the time-tested Nosler Partition™. Ballistically, the 30 Nosler is going to win most of the time at the expense of a relatively small amount of extra powder and barrel life. The 180 grain tested produced less recoil. actions like the .300 Win. bullets. By adding trajectories to the panel on the right you may produce charts and graphs that show the different trajectories side by side. Many experts recommend a minimum of 1500 ft-lbs impact energy for large game such as elk. Compare these rounds in the charts below. Just as soon as it’s independently tested & verified. What’s practical for my interests & why? BC quantifies a bullet’s aerodynamic efficiency, and SD predicts relative ability to penetrate into a game animal; the larger each number, the better. The bullet was a 180gr. Add in the fact they use easy to find .308 inch diameter bullets and you have some real winners. shoots flat, hits hard, fits in standard length actions, has tolerable recoil, and is available even in remote areas. Accordingly the 33 Nosler should be popular with extreme long range (ELR) shooters and big game hunters. The .30 caliber magnums are popular and for good reason, but bullet selection is vital to realize their full potential. Share the post "New 33 Nosler Rivals .338 Lapua Magnum in Smaller Package", Tags: .338 Lapua Magnum, .338 LM, 33 Nosler, ELR, Magnum, SAAMI. Alex, I personally shoot a 308 win. 300 Win Mag The 30 Nosler blows past the highly regarded 300 Winchester … If there is any possibility a hunter might make a shot at less than 100 yards, a tough, controlled expansion bullet is required to prevent bullet disintegration when it hits a large animal at close range. A Savage magnum bolt face will fit it, and there is no reason it could not work in the 110 action. 30-06 vs 308 vs 300 Win Mag Ammo 30 Nosler vs. Hornady.300 PRC Just a year or so ago I wrote that the 30 Nosler was arguably the single best-designed.30-caliber magnum in existence. If the minimum energy range exceeds the minimum expansion range, the minimum expansion range becomes the maximum effective range since unexpanded bullets are much less effective regardless how much energy they possess. Buy carbon or Black Hills or Double tap and push 300 grain pill 2800 fps plus that smokes 33 nosler. NOSLER 30 is the front runner since I will not be going to Africa in the near future. My laupa with stay super sonic 300 yards farther than the 33. it’s no different than saying a 30-06 is the same as a 300 win mag, it’s just not. When I did the load development for new 300 Win Mag, RL-22 was my first powder and stuck with it using 180 Accubonds, love the way to shoots at 300 yards. 'https://ssl' : 'http://www') + '.google-analytics.com/ga.js'; Four of them being 300 WBY and I'm quite familiar with the cartridge. I would expect the Nosler 30 @ 210g accubond is not a good enough reason to throw away even a.300wm. 33 nosler is not faster than 338 lapua. For long-range target work, Nosler will offer 33 Nosler match ammo with a high-BC 300gr bullet. The bore diameter neatly handles almost all of our game animals here in North America, and with bullets of modern design, the .30-caliber magnums are certainly capable of excellent long-range performance as a target cartridge. They didn’t reinvent the wheel, but it’s fun to shoot and shoots great groups with factory ammo. It has the lowest recoil in this class, is pinpoint accurate, and has more than enough punch for any rational hunting situation. These high energy/high cost calibers will probably force you to take up reloading if you don't already. Mag. EDITOR: If we are talking about handloaded 33 Nosler with a custom chamber, one could easily set the throat so the bearing surface is set above the neck-shoulder junction. Nosler’s velocity quote on 225 gr bullets I think is optimistic, and likely the max. this is a custom built rifle that will out perform a standard lapua, but even if you back it off, it stays 150 yards in front of the 33. Yet, ask anyone who owns one and you’ll get a big, knowing smile from them. The average hovering between 33 and 35 pounds. of guiding). Both cartridges also have relatively high BCs, again with the .300 Win Mag rounds being slightly higher. Smoking mirrors don’t work with informed shooters. I’ve built around 70 28 noslers and every customer has sent me groups 1/4 Moa or better with some in the .0s. With a 200 grain bullet, it likely would have scored equal to or below the .300 Weatherby. If that means the gun functions as a single shot, so be it – accuracy first ! While .30 caliber bullets come in a wide variety, this vast selection presents some challenges when it comes to the Fast Thirties. I've owned 6 Weatherbys over the years and many other rifles. The LM cartridge has an unrivaled web, it’s basically over engineered. Will this cartridge work in a Savage long action? That’s a big deal because it means you can now achieve .338 LM performance in a rifle that is lighter and less costly to build. Designed by Roy Weatherby in 1959 but not released to the market until 1996, the .30-378 is based on the .378 Weatherby’s enormous case necked down to accept .308 caliber bullets. OUT OF STOCK (1) Nosler … The average hovering between 33 and 35 pounds. AccuBond (.507 BC/.271 SD) at 3200 fps. The 330 Dakota with a 25 inch barrel will push a 225 gr bullet safely at 2950 and a 250 gr bullet at 2800-2850. The 26 & 28 seem to have had fairly good success. And its my opinion based on performance and accuracy that the 28 and 30 Nolsers are the BEST long range hunting cartridges out there. The .300 RUM is a more realistic choice than the .30-378 in a standard weight sporter rifle if a hunter needs this much power. We offer a wide variety of shooting products for sportsmen and women at discounted prices while providing flat rate shipping and discounts to members of the military and first responders. Strictly for a hunting rifle and nothing else I take a Weatherby mk 5 every time and I always have 24" light weight barrels no matter what caliber they are,Weatherby's have the strongest actions on earth tested well past 210,000 psi and held together,the stock design is such as to tame recoil and still be a natural pointer,lots of freebore makes seating bullets out where they need to be a snap,superior gas venting in case of a rupture.Ammo available everywhere,Smoothest push feed bolt action south of a Mannlicher Shoenaure. Some of the fastest loads in both were 2985 for 06 improved with RL-22 and 3118 with RL 22 for the 300 win mag. If deformation of the lead nose in the magazine box is a problem, our 180 grain Protected Point Partition or AccuBond bullets are good options. Mag. And because the 30 Nosler has a belt-less case, it’s more accurate and makes for easier reloading. The powders that would take advantage of the capacity are 50BMG powders that aren't very good. All great performing cartridges-all uncommon except the 300 win mag. Do NOT seat the full diameter of the base of the projectile into or past the neck shoulder junction of the case. Just going in general terms of the .300 Win Mag vs .30-06 discussion, the .300 Win Mag has the edge over the .30-06 for long-term accuracy just going from the data we have looked at so far. But that would probably require single-round feeding in a standard long action. I keep coming back to .300 WM as next & just use NOSLER cartridges. Reamers need to be speced right, rifles build well, and load development done thoroughly. The following ammunition cartridge ballistics information and chart can be used to approximately compare .300 Weatherby Magnum vs .300 Winchester Magnum ammo rounds. Rebarreled of course to the 33 Nosler. Thanks for your input and best of luck on future hunts! The recoil values are correct, however the 300 WBY properly and safely loaded in a 9.5 pounds rifle can go as high as 37 lbs. The Nosler comparison chart is self-serving in that the .338 LM load listed is their load (#60085), which is the slowest offering in the marketplace. This was an up hill almost broad side shot that also took the spine out. Just want the option to use different grain say 210+ if needed yet 168gr cartridges to kill a white tail deer & a big elk with just a cartridge switch & not a chamber or carry two guns. If you ignore SAAMI look at what can be done with heavy loads in 300 Win Mag!! We only build rifles with reamers that are built off of “properly” crafted dummy rounds – with the bullet “properly” seated in the case neck. Always consult with the bullet or ammunition manufacturer as to your needs before you take it on a hunt. The 300 Win Mag is right around where you put it but it can also safely climb to 30 and 31 pounds of recoil. Call it clever marketing, spin or a lie of omission? The prime factor to my old brain is whether we can get the rifle to shoot accurately, and we can live up to the standards that the hardware sets us. These are the best choices for shots inside 500 yards: Barnes TSX/TTSX, Swift Scirocco, Swift A-Frame, Nosler Partition, Nosler AccuBond, Nosler E-Tip, Woodleigh Weldcore, PPU soft point, Hornady GMX, Hornady Interbond, and North Fork. On the 338 norma. Nosler lists a 3.340″ COAL for the 33 Nosler. Introduced in 1999, the .300 RUM has become a favorite in the long range hunting subculture.
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